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Transport Evolved Chevy Volt battery issue


Overview

This page consolidates notes on Transport Evolved Michael's Chevy Volt with P0A9E error, "Hybrid/EV Battery Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit Voltage High".

The initial problem is described in TE episode:

This page overlaps with discussion on TE's Discord, #show, grahamw — 02/06/2023 8:53 PM and subsequent.  On this page I have a lot better control of images and tables to be able to lay out the information better.

Main sections

  • Nature of the problem
  • The physical location of the problem
  • A plausible DIY-ish work plan to repair the problem

Initial References

The nature of the problem

The DTC codes:

As shown at https://youtu.be/XV4Urgl2Uco?t=937

DTC_P0a9e

The third character is hard to read, and could be either "a" or "e", but P0e9e is not a legit code, while P0a9e corresponds to the description Nikki discussed.

  • P0a9e: "Hybrid/EV Battery Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit High"   Service Manual p4218
  • P1e00:  "Hybrid Powertrain Control Module 2 Requested MIL (malfunction indicator lamp)  illumination"
    • Ie: There is some other cause and DTC that prompted the MIL request.
  • Also mentioned: P0606: Control Module Processor Performance
    • Can be set by a variety of different modules, reporting that that module has a problem.

Red herring: In video "Can You Help?" Nikki shows the DTC as P09AE, but this is almost certainly incorrect.

Description

  • P0a9e: "Hybrid/EV Battery Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit High". 
  • "Circuit High" is a description widely-used in DTCs, and it means that the control module is seeing a voltage at the high end of the input range, beyond what would be a legit signal. 
  • This typically means that the sensor is wired as the low side of a resistive voltage divider circuit, and has become disconnected, leaving the circuit to float up to the "high reference voltage", in this case 5V. 
  • The term "circuit" refers to the idea there's something wrong with the circuit, as opposed to the sensor providing a legit but unusual value reflecting an unusual situation, like a temperature sensor reporting overheating engine.

Schematic

1100_Thermistor_voltage_divider

  • VTemp is the voltage that the module inspects.
  • VTemp could go high due to a break at A or B.  Of course, the open circuit could be due to the thermistor itself failing, but that is fairly unlikely.
  • Temperature sensor 1 uses circuits with IDs 5405 (signal) and 3773 (ground). (According to Service Manual p7388).
    • Gotcha: Turns out that these circuit Ids are not unique within the vehicle, only within the battery Section. See later discussion of identifying exactly where "Temperature sensor 1" is located.

Physical components

  • The thermistor leads attach to spring contacts which touch fixed contacts in the top of the battery pack.
    • From there the contacts connect to the multi-pin connectors on the top of the battery pack.
    • So the thermistor resistance can be measured from the battery-top connector.
    • The photos here are of the frontmost battery pack, looked at from the front. This is similar to the actual battery pack in our case.

1200_spring_contacts_front_view

An underside view of the fixed contacts.

1210_fixed_contacts_from_below

Physical location of the spring contacts

See more extensive section below "Identifying the location of Thermistor #1" to validate this info.

1. Battery with cover

1301_Location_covered

2. See-through view

1310_Location_seethru

3. Cover removed

1321_Location_uncovered

A plausible DIY-ish work plan to repair the problem

  • This follows the basic idea from Prof Kelly's comments on forum question: https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/got-p0c36-code-dealership-says-i-have-to-replace-a-battery-4400-00-help.330381/
    • Definitely read that thread, both Prof Kelly's post, and the subsequent one from somms.
      • "If it were my battery, I would fix it by removing the battery from the vehicle, cutting off the protective tab by the corroded connections, and soldering the connections."
    • Note that they were addressing code P0c36, which is Temperature Sensor #6 Circuit High.  So, same error, different thermistor.
  • Take photos (or video!) of every step, to aid reassembly.
Step
Sub step
Description
Things to prep or look up in advance
Verify code is present

If the symptom is not present, then it will be difficult to verify the fix.

Check all prep items are on hand

Look at the "Things to prep" column





Set up the car

Prepare any of the cars electrically operated mechanisms the way you will need them later when the 12V battery is disconnected, such as door locks, windows, trunk lid, e-brake etc.

Remove the HV battery disconnect

This is presumably accessible from inside the car, ahead of the rear seat?
-- Does this precipitate requirement to later perform some reset procedure?
Disconnect 12V battery
May want to put a charger on the 12V battery while working on the other stuff, to make sure the 12V is charged ready for testing when reconnected..
-- Before or after the HV battery disconnect?




Remove the battery pack Raise the car ... high enough to be able to get the battery out.
-- A lift is obviously preferable
-- Example of how to do it with jackstands etc:  "A guide to swapping your Gen 1 Volt battery at home"     https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/a-guide-to-swapping-your-gen-1-volt-battery-at-home.321946/
1410_jacking




-- Preferably a lift.
-- Jacks? Ramps?

Remove battery pack end cover
Remove the sheet metal that covers the terminals and hoses at front of the battery pack
-- Video: 2013 Chevy Volt battery removal and installation  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kWRUB3grY
1420_Connector_cover_remove


Unplug connectors and hoses
Disconnect the cable connectors and the coolant hoses.  Plug the hoses and the inlet/outlets
If all goes well, there will be no need to drain the coolant further, so less to refill and get circulating..
-- Pan to catch coolant
-- Rubber plugs for the coolant inlets and the coolant lines. (cheap assortments on ebay)

Remove most bolts
Remove most of the battery pack supporting bolts , leaving a few to hold up the battery without it sagging
-- Metric sockets, probably 10mm or 13mm
-- Containers for saving and organizing removed nuts and bolts.

Move support under battery
If car on a lift, move a sturdy cart under the car, possibly with some 2x4s etc sized to receive the battery.  Lower the lift to rest the battery on the cart and boards.
If car on ramps etc, raise a 2x4+ply platform jacked up on one or two floor jacks to support the battery.

-- Devise the support platform ahead of time and make sure there's enough vertical clearance.

Lower the battery
Remove last few bolts



If car on a lift, raise the car
If car on jackstands or ramps etc, Lower the jacks
.1400_jacking



Slide the battery out from under the car






Move battery to work area
-- Roll the battery to a convenient place to work on it.
-- Ensure that the whole length and width of the battery is well supported and not flexing. The bottom mounting plate under the battery a little bendy, so can allow the battery to flex undesirably. (The risk is in flexing the hoses between the big battery sections -- they are flexible, but no point unduly stressing their seals.)





Remove top battery cover
Remove cover
Lots of bolts.
Video:  "Dissecting the Chevy Volt's electric drivetrain"   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00tTckGUv7I
Metric sockets


I believe you also have to undo bolts or screws around the orange disconnect receptacle:   https://youtu.be/00tTckGUv7I?t=85
Torx bits I think.




Verify thermistor problem
Unplug harness plugs
On the rear battery section, leftmost module, unplug X4, the leftmost connector from the top of the battery.
1500_Remove_C4C_X4

Video "2013 Chevy Volt Battery BMS Pinout Diagram" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_cuqnSQE8c has useful visuals for the next couple of steps.
Video segment: https://youtu.be/5_cuqnSQE8c?t=271 for removing the plugs on top of the battery


Measure thermistors resistances.
Measure the resistance of the #1 thermistor via the battery-top connector, and at least one other thermistor for comparison.
Video segment:  https://youtu.be/5_cuqnSQE8c?t=669  Measuring the thermistors.
Notes:
-- the top plastic cover does not need to be removed to probe the connector pins
-- the resistance he measured was about 18.2 kohms, which obviously varies with temperature
-- the thermistor pins differ from one connector to another, so you need the actual pinouts for the thermistor in question. See Service Manual page 7400 and nearby pages. See section below. "Service manual reference pages for battery-top connector pinouts".
Thermistor #1: X4 pins 1 and 10
Thermistor #2: X4 pints 9 and 18
Readings:
If #1 thermistor is clearly "bad" (open-circuit or very high resistance). this is good news, as it means the fix is very likely to solve the problem.
If it's not open circuit. may need to regroup. Did the mechanical jostling cause the thermistor's contacts to be restored (if unreliably)? Or are we barking up the wrong tree?
-- Connector pinout diagram
-- Digital multimeter.
-- Probes suitable for connecting to the exposed connector pins without shorting to adjacent pins.
-- Typical resistance 10 to 30k ohms, depending on temperature




Gain access to #1 thermistor contacts area Don't remove black battery-top cover?
I believe it's unnecessary to remove the black cover on top of the battery. Removal is easy, it just unsnaps, but then you have to be wary of dropping metal objects on the battery tabs. 


Assess strategy
At this stage, the #1 thermistor spring contacts are almost visible.





Gain access to thermistor contacts
Alternatives....
The thermistor contacts could be accessed by removing the end-plate of the battery.
However, that requires removing the metal strap and the long through bolts (threaded rods?). That would decompress all the battery segments, putting at risk the coolant seals between all battery cells. Some clamping arrangement could be devised to mitigate that problem, but better to avoid it if possible.,
Hence the tab-cutting strategy detailed below.


Cut the tab that covers the contacts
Video: "Dissecting the Chevy Volt's electric drivetrain"   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00tTckGUv7I  has some useful orientation footage, though not for this exact job
1520_tab_area_on_C4C_left

Carefully use a knife and/or Dremel to cut away the tab to expose the contacts.
The next photo is cut from a photo in the Prof Kelly post at https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/got-p0c36-code-dealership-says-i-have-to-replace-a-battery-4400-00-help.330381/
1530_tab_cut

The red dotted line indicates where to cut. I think in Prof Kelly's photo, the plate has been flipped around, and so you would be cutting the tab from the back relative to this photo. If this plate has not been flipped in the photo, then there must be another plate in front of this one, and it's the tab on that plate that you would cut.
Obviously care is needed while cutting to avoid mangling the springs.
Knife?
Dremel with cutter suitable for nylon-y plastic.




Investigate Caution
While investigating, proceed in an order which minimizes disturbance to the components. We want to definitively locate the discontinuity, so we want to avoid disrupting the break in a way which might temporarily reconnect it.


Examine
Examine the spring contact area visually. Is it obviously corroded?


Measure resistances
With ohmmeter measure resistance of the various sections of the thermistor circuit.
A. As judged by measuring at the connector X4, is the thermistor circuit still discontinuous?
B. Can you read a sensible resistance when probing the spring contacts?  Hopefully yes.
C. Can you determine which contact is at fault?   Or is there any possibility that the break is somewhere else in the circuit, (thus won't be fixed by soldering the spring contacts.)


Some jiggling
With ohmmeter attached to the #1 thermistor pins of the battery-top connector, can you restore a sensible resistance by gently prodding one or other of the contacts and getting them to reconnect?





Fix

Since we're guessing that the likely problem is at the contacts, I've listed some steps to attack that.


Clean up the contacts Clean up the contacts and prepare to solder. Contact cleaner spray, such as Deoxit
Very fine sandpaper.

Solder across the contacts
Solder each spring contact to its mating contact area.  It may require some patience to solder upside down.
I would avoid pressing too hard upward on the fixed contacts in the battery top, as we don't know how they are attached in place.
-- A soldering iron and tip of suitable size.
-- Electronics flux (like in a flux pen) might be helpful, but the flus in flux-core solder should  be adequate.

Verify resistance
Again with ohmmeter attached to the #1 thermistor pins of the battery-top connector, measure resistance. Is it consistent with other thermistor?



Gently prod the spring contact area and thermistor wires and confirm that it doesn't flake out.






Tape over opening
Remove any grease from the area, then cover the hole that was previously cut with tape of some kind
Need some strongly-adhesive tape wide enough to cover the hole..




Reassembly

Mostly the reverse of disassembly






Reconnect harness
Atop the rear battery, reconnect the orange harness






Visual check
Verify all undercover work is finished





Reinistall cover
Replace cover and bolt it down
Replace screws around the disconnect receptacle.





Reinstallation




Position the battery
Roll the battery under the car



-- If car is on a lift, slowly lower the car onto the battery,
-- If car is on jackstands or ramps, slowly jack up the battery into position
While doing so:
a. Observe a few key bolt locations to achieve mating.
b: Closely watch the cables and hoses so that they don't get trapped, and will end up next to their respective connectors.






Bolt the battery in place
Install all the bolts.
Torque to spec






Reconnect
Reattach cables and hoses.


Replace the cover
Replace the front sheet-metal that covers up the connector area.






Reconnect 12V battery
Might be some things to check at this point to verify things are OK?


Refill the battery coolant
-- Tank is in the frunk.
-- Just filling the tank probably won't fill all the little waterways in the battery, so....
-- A comment on Coopers Automotive Volt battery swap video part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFwXMcxFTV0) says you can command the battery coolant pump ON from a bidirectional scan tool, which should circulate the coolant into the battery.
-- It's likely that just running the car will cause the pump to run and circulate the coolant adequately anyway.
-- The most important factor is to prevent the car from running the coolant heater unsubmerged. But since that is at the bottom level of the battery inside the front bulkhead, it pretty much has to become submerged when you initially fill the coolant.
-- After running the pump (one way or another) recheck the coolant level and top up as necessary
-- Coolant
-- It's supposedly a mix with DI water, so line up the mix ahead of time

Reinstall the HV battery disconnect






Start up




Check for codes
Using scan tool, just note any existing and pending codes


Clear codes
Using scan tool, clear codes.


Run car



Check for codes
Proceed accordingly

Identifying the location of Thermistor #1

Schematic contains several useful IDs.

1100_Thermistor_voltage_divider

SM page
Info type
ID
Description
Comments





4218
Error message
P0a9e
"Temperature sensor 1 circuit high."

7040
Schematic B32A
Temperature sensor 1  Note: battery temp sensors appear to be numbered uniquely within the car, but circuits (like 5405) are duplicated on different battery sections



X4
Connector on the battery that exposes temp sensor 1.     
X4 is not unique in car. Full Id would be C4C-X4  (See C4C below).



X4-1, 5405
Connector pin and circuit id for the thermistor signal.   
5405 is not unique in car. Full Id would be C4C-5405  (See C4C below).



X4-10
Connector pin and circuit id for the "low reference" wire (aka ground) 
(Note that the pins on the connector at the other end of that cable are differently arranged thus have different pin numbers.)



C5A, Module 1
Id and module number of the battery module to which Temp Sensor 1 is attached.



K112D
Battery Interface Control Module 4






5117
 MECL
B32A "Battery section 3 part of battery module 1"  (Probably means battery module 1 of battery section 3.)
B32B is described the same way
7265
Location drawing
B32A --> Item 7
"Item 7 Battery pack temperature sensor 1"
Drawing shows item 7 B32A attached to module 1 (0f 4) in battery pack section 3 (the rear transverse battery block!)
2001_TempSensorLocationDwg
Hmmm, so NOT the frontmost temp sensor after all!
 7384 Location drawing Section 3
The rear (transverse) module of the battery pack.
2010_BatSections_BICMs



Modules 1..4
Modules numbered left to right (US drivers' side = left).






5121
MECL
C5A
Module 1 of battery section 3

5037

K112D
Battery Interface Control Module 4
5128
MECL K112D
Battery Interface Control Module 4  On top of section 3.

7384
Drawing
K112D
Leftmost controller on top of battery section 3 C4C

7384 Drawing C4C
Battery pack section -- the rear one:   Sections are numbered 1..3 front to back.






  • MECL = Master Electrical Component List locator table
  • These IDs are searchable in the Service Manual, in particular in the locator section.

 

Service manual reference page for battery-top connector pinouts

  • Service Manual page 7400

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